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		By: printing		</title>
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		By: Basil Sands		</title>
		<link>https://rachellegardner.com/the-editorial-process/#comment-24193</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Thanks for the advice Rachelle.  I will probably be contacting her and setting up something to see how it goes. At the time I was totally new to the game, now am learning more and more.  And after spending a year and a half in the house of rejection, it&#039;s time to up the ante I guess and see if I can grab someone&#039;s attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Thanks for the advice Rachelle.  I will probably be contacting her and setting up something to see how it goes. At the time I was totally new to the game, now am learning more and more.  And after spending a year and a half in the house of rejection, it&#8217;s time to up the ante I guess and see if I can grab someone&#8217;s attention.</p>
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		By: Rosslyn Elliott		</title>
		<link>https://rachellegardner.com/the-editorial-process/#comment-24179</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosslyn Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Timothy - I usually agree with everything you say, but on this one I have to differ. I hired Camy Tang to work with me on my proposal. I knew that my manuscript was strong as a whole, but that the opening chapters needed to be even better if I wanted to get past the proposal review stage. After I worked with Camy, I signed with an agent and as of now, have made it past the proposal stage with a major house. Hiring an editor is not a magic pill. It can make a crucial difference, however, if you do it at the right time. I paid only a couple of hundred dollars for a partial edit. It was the best financial decision I ever made for my career. I will not have to do it again: I learned what I needed to learn from her excellent feedback, then I applied it to the rest of my manuscript. In my opinion, a freelance editor is not so much a manuscript &quot;fixer&quot; as a private teacher who knows LOTS about the business and whose judgment you can absolutely trust. (Just make sure you work with the right one.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Camy Tang has an excellent post on her blog (storysensei.blogspot) about *when* to hire a freelance editor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Timothy &#8211; I usually agree with everything you say, but on this one I have to differ. I hired Camy Tang to work with me on my proposal. I knew that my manuscript was strong as a whole, but that the opening chapters needed to be even better if I wanted to get past the proposal review stage. After I worked with Camy, I signed with an agent and as of now, have made it past the proposal stage with a major house. Hiring an editor is not a magic pill. It can make a crucial difference, however, if you do it at the right time. I paid only a couple of hundred dollars for a partial edit. It was the best financial decision I ever made for my career. I will not have to do it again: I learned what I needed to learn from her excellent feedback, then I applied it to the rest of my manuscript. In my opinion, a freelance editor is not so much a manuscript &#8220;fixer&#8221; as a private teacher who knows LOTS about the business and whose judgment you can absolutely trust. (Just make sure you work with the right one.)</p>
<p>Camy Tang has an excellent post on her blog (storysensei.blogspot) about *when* to hire a freelance editor.</p>
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		By: Timothy Fish		</title>
		<link>https://rachellegardner.com/the-editorial-process/#comment-24173</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Fish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Anonymous 10:20,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I seem to have hit a nerve.  I am not saying that editing is not a good thing.  Every author must decide for himself or herself if the benefits of pre-submittal editing outweigh the costs.  In general, the earlier editing takes place in the publishing process the more cost prohibitive it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While money is not our only consideration, it is a very important consideration.  If money were not a consideration, I would print 6.6 billion copies of each of my book and ship it to every household around the world.  There are many benefits of doing that too, but that doesn’t mean it is going to happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we keep it real, most authors can expect to succeed only if they produce the best manuscript they can and let the publisher pay for editing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Anonymous 10:20,</p>
<p>I seem to have hit a nerve.  I am not saying that editing is not a good thing.  Every author must decide for himself or herself if the benefits of pre-submittal editing outweigh the costs.  In general, the earlier editing takes place in the publishing process the more cost prohibitive it is.</p>
<p>While money is not our only consideration, it is a very important consideration.  If money were not a consideration, I would print 6.6 billion copies of each of my book and ship it to every household around the world.  There are many benefits of doing that too, but that doesn’t mean it is going to happen.</p>
<p>If we keep it real, most authors can expect to succeed only if they produce the best manuscript they can and let the publisher pay for editing.</p>
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		By: fairchild		</title>
		<link>https://rachellegardner.com/the-editorial-process/#comment-24163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fairchild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;I just want to say that I read your blog often and find it educational, informative, generous, and most of all, very positive. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for taking the time. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I just want to say that I read your blog often and find it educational, informative, generous, and most of all, very positive. </p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time. 🙂</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://rachellegardner.com/the-editorial-process/#comment-24156</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Timothy, there are a lot of ways to look at the use of a freelance editor, but if you consider it purely from a financial point of view, I think you might be missing the greatest benefits. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are correct that great manuscripts from great writers will always rise to the top of the consideration pile. What if your writing is almost there - but not quite? A talented editor&#039;s touch could bump it into contention. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You still might get the rejection letter (as will some of those great writers who didn&#039;t use a freelancer). If so, was the money a complete waste? The answer depends on the writer. Did you learn something from the editor&#039;s notes and edits? Did you discover things about your writing that can help you make the next manuscript better? If so, no matter the outcome, it was money well spent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A couple other thoughts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*A publisher isn&#039;t going to sign a contract for a book that they don&#039;t think will sell enough to earn out the advance. They certainly don&#039;t look at a book written by someone who used the services of a freelancer and say, &quot;well, this author needed help, so let&#039;s just let the book die.&quot; If they thought that, they wouldn&#039;t sign you in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*If you&#039;ve written a book that the reader loves, he or she won&#039;t know or care if you wrote every word yourself or required heavy in-house editing...or had the help of a skilled editor even before you submitted it for consideration. They simply want to enjoy your book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Timothy, there are a lot of ways to look at the use of a freelance editor, but if you consider it purely from a financial point of view, I think you might be missing the greatest benefits. </p>
<p>You are correct that great manuscripts from great writers will always rise to the top of the consideration pile. What if your writing is almost there &#8211; but not quite? A talented editor&#8217;s touch could bump it into contention. </p>
<p>You still might get the rejection letter (as will some of those great writers who didn&#8217;t use a freelancer). If so, was the money a complete waste? The answer depends on the writer. Did you learn something from the editor&#8217;s notes and edits? Did you discover things about your writing that can help you make the next manuscript better? If so, no matter the outcome, it was money well spent.</p>
<p>A couple other thoughts:</p>
<p>*A publisher isn&#8217;t going to sign a contract for a book that they don&#8217;t think will sell enough to earn out the advance. They certainly don&#8217;t look at a book written by someone who used the services of a freelancer and say, &#8220;well, this author needed help, so let&#8217;s just let the book die.&#8221; If they thought that, they wouldn&#8217;t sign you in the first place.</p>
<p>*If you&#8217;ve written a book that the reader loves, he or she won&#8217;t know or care if you wrote every word yourself or required heavy in-house editing&#8230;or had the help of a skilled editor even before you submitted it for consideration. They simply want to enjoy your book.</p>
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		By: Timothy Fish		</title>
		<link>https://rachellegardner.com/the-editorial-process/#comment-24155</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;$1,200 is reasonable.  It is by no means cheap.  Depending on the publisher, that could be 25% or more of the advance.  It gets worse.  The author may send manuscripts to editors to try to improve their chances of getting a contract.  If we assume ¼ of all pre-edited manuscripts result in a contract then we are basically saying that the authors giving all of their money to the editors.  If we factor in the agent’s cut, the author is paying the agent from her husband’s salary.  It is a &lt;i&gt;catch 22&lt;/i&gt;.  The author’s who making enough from book sales to pay for pre-editing will probably get a contract anyway and those that need it the most probably won’t sell enough books to pay for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>$1,200 is reasonable.  It is by no means cheap.  Depending on the publisher, that could be 25% or more of the advance.  It gets worse.  The author may send manuscripts to editors to try to improve their chances of getting a contract.  If we assume ¼ of all pre-edited manuscripts result in a contract then we are basically saying that the authors giving all of their money to the editors.  If we factor in the agent’s cut, the author is paying the agent from her husband’s salary.  It is a <i>catch 22</i>.  The author’s who making enough from book sales to pay for pre-editing will probably get a contract anyway and those that need it the most probably won’t sell enough books to pay for it.</p>
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		By: Laurie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Rachelle, this is great insight into what happens after a manuscript is accepted.  I&#039;m also curious about the steps for acceptance. Specifically, a publisher requested my manuscript several months ago.  I suspect he&#039;s passed it to someone else to read.  Does the reader make a report?  Is it discussed by a committee?  I&#039;m wondering if my &quot;precious&quot; writing is on a shelf somewhere or being used as a convenient footrest under someone&#039;s desk.  All I know is calling them is a big no-no at this point.  I&#039;m supposed to (gulp...) WAIT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Rachelle, this is great insight into what happens after a manuscript is accepted.  I&#8217;m also curious about the steps for acceptance. Specifically, a publisher requested my manuscript several months ago.  I suspect he&#8217;s passed it to someone else to read.  Does the reader make a report?  Is it discussed by a committee?  I&#8217;m wondering if my &#8220;precious&#8221; writing is on a shelf somewhere or being used as a convenient footrest under someone&#8217;s desk.  All I know is calling them is a big no-no at this point.  I&#8217;m supposed to (gulp&#8230;) WAIT.</p>
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		By: Katharine O'Moore-Klopf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katharine O'Moore-Klopf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Basil, as a freelance copyeditor, I have to say that $1,200 for a complete copyedit of a manuscript is very cheap, unless the manuscript is quite short. Most freelance copyeditors, unless they&#039;re newbies, make the equivalent of at least $35 an hour, and that rate goes up substantially for highly specialized copyeditors, such as medical copyeditors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Basil, as a freelance copyeditor, I have to say that $1,200 for a complete copyedit of a manuscript is very cheap, unless the manuscript is quite short. Most freelance copyeditors, unless they&#8217;re newbies, make the equivalent of at least $35 an hour, and that rate goes up substantially for highly specialized copyeditors, such as medical copyeditors.</p>
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		By: Dawn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Yikes!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for ADVICE, you&#039;d probably tell them to double check their spelling on anything they put out there for others to read!  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s what I get for trying to read AND comment during a short break while at my day job!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Yikes!</p>
<p>As for ADVICE, you&#8217;d probably tell them to double check their spelling on anything they put out there for others to read!  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I get for trying to read AND comment during a short break while at my day job!</p>
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		By: Camy Tang		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Camy Tang]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;I have to say that Rachelle did a STELLAR job doing my macro edit! It was my first experience doing a publishing house edit and she made it easy, seamless, and painless!&lt;br /&gt;Camy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>I have to say that Rachelle did a STELLAR job doing my macro edit! It was my first experience doing a publishing house edit and she made it easy, seamless, and painless!<br />Camy</p>
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		By: Rachelle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Basil,&lt;br /&gt;Renni Browne is one of the best editors in the business (see &lt;em&gt;Self Editing for Fiction Writers&lt;/em&gt;) and her quote was extremely reasonable. You would be wise to jump on it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is good advice for everyone... when you come across something like this that makes you question someone&#039;s validity, don&#039;t make assumptions either way. Do some research. A quick Google of Renni&#039;s name would have told you all you needed to know!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Basil,<br />Renni Browne is one of the best editors in the business (see <em>Self Editing for Fiction Writers</em>) and her quote was extremely reasonable. You would be wise to jump on it. </p>
<p>This is good advice for everyone&#8230; when you come across something like this that makes you question someone&#8217;s validity, don&#8217;t make assumptions either way. Do some research. A quick Google of Renni&#8217;s name would have told you all you needed to know!</p>
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		By: Dawn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Rachelle,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for the helpful information.  :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If someone was interested in becoming a freelance copy editor or proofreader, what advise would you give them? Do publishers look at resumes? Or are most freelancers hired out of relationship with in-house editors?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Rachelle,</p>
<p>Thanks for the helpful information.  🙂</p>
<p>If someone was interested in becoming a freelance copy editor or proofreader, what advise would you give them? Do publishers look at resumes? Or are most freelancers hired out of relationship with in-house editors?</p>
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		By: Basil Sands		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Basil Sands]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;What would you say regarding third party editors offering to edit your text (for a fee of course). I was at conference last fall and got into one of the little sit down sessions with the lady who runs &quot;The Editorial Department&quot; Renni Brown.  She praised the story with something &quot;Boy you can write, I love the story.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then said I needed some editing, and offered to do it for between $800 and $1200.  I choked back the shock and assumed it was a fraudulent offer she probably gave all the writers there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Later though a couple of other writers I told this to looked at me in surprise and said they had not been told anything like that when she reviewed their fiction, rather than offer to copy edit their work, she told go home and work on it some more.  They were both published non-fiction writers as well. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So my question is, are companies like this legit?  And does having such work done before submissions enhance the chance of getting picked up by a publisher / agent?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>What would you say regarding third party editors offering to edit your text (for a fee of course). I was at conference last fall and got into one of the little sit down sessions with the lady who runs &#8220;The Editorial Department&#8221; Renni Brown.  She praised the story with something &#8220;Boy you can write, I love the story.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then said I needed some editing, and offered to do it for between $800 and $1200.  I choked back the shock and assumed it was a fraudulent offer she probably gave all the writers there. </p>
<p>Later though a couple of other writers I told this to looked at me in surprise and said they had not been told anything like that when she reviewed their fiction, rather than offer to copy edit their work, she told go home and work on it some more.  They were both published non-fiction writers as well. </p>
<p>So my question is, are companies like this legit?  And does having such work done before submissions enhance the chance of getting picked up by a publisher / agent?</p>
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